Elizabeth Cordova 0:00

Hello hello hello my dear friends. Welcome to the Inspired Risk podcast, conversations with cool people living radically free lives. I am your host, Elizabeth Cordova, and I am absolutely delighted to be here with my precious friend Erin Rogers. Erin is an intuitive coach, and I don't know, just like all around witchy, brilliant person. And today we're gonna talk about what it looks like to lead a life guided by intu a life guided by intuition rather than fear. So I hope you're excited. Hi, how are you?

Erin Rogers 0:43

Hello. Thank you for having me. I actually was like, oh crap, I can't wait to listen to the other podcasts if that's how you're introing this. I'm like, I love those people. Those are my people. So,

Elizabeth Cordova 0:52

those are the

Erin Rogers 0:53

how exciting. Those are the conversations that are inspiring you. I mean, it feels very in, in alignment with your energy and spirit, but I was like, this is gonna be great.

Elizabeth Cordova 1:01

This is gonna be great. I'm so excited. Um, did you first connect to your intuition?

Erin Rogers 1:10

Yeah, the, um, the, the shorter, the shorter version is I, you know, for a long time in my life I could use words like, um, deja vu and my family. We could, you could use certain words about, like, I had a feeling and, but it was always, um, I can't, I, I believe you were, but I was raised in a religious household. I think crazy, but just there were words you could use around intuition. There, there were words you couldn't,

Elizabeth Cordova 1:34

Hmm.

Erin Rogers 1:34

and. Um, but around 27, 28, I found therapy. Um, and therapy led then to all of this, kind of like trusting myself enough to say, get a card reading. And it followed. It took, for the person listening, it took 10 years.

Elizabeth Cordova 1:51

Mm-hmm.

Erin Rogers 1:52

And, um, and, and things would happen. Like I would have, I could, I would predict pregnancies. I would call people and be like, Hey, are you pregnant? And they were like, no. They'd call me back later that day. They're like, I took a test. Yes, I am like, oh, weird, weird that I would know that. Like I would have really deeply intuitive experiences, but the real big moment for me was I, um. I got really sick and randomly my old medical doctor, an md, left that practice and became a spiritual coach, which is, I don't know how often that's happening. Maybe more so now, the time. I think it was less common and I went to her, 'cause I said, I know this is. Physical, but I know there's something else happening here. I just don't know why. And I sat in the chair and she kind of opened up the session. It was just an intro session, so I was like, I don't know what's gonna happen. The whole, my whole body became like a yellow light. And it was like in that moment, everything went from like. I'm kind of weird or different or I never quite get the why people are acting to, like your spirit guides are talking to you. That's not inner voice and her voice doesn't sound that way. You have this intuition and it was like she gave me all this context to my inner experiences that I thought was normal. And the way I described that day was I had spent my lifetime, um, being a fish trying to fly and someone put me back in water and I finally thrived.

Elizabeth Cordova 3:14

Wow. What a beautiful metaphor, because I think one of the things that is so prominent has been so prominent in my life and. For a lot of the listeners that I know are gonna tune in, I, I, I so often identified as like a weirdo, a freak, an outcast, a person who did not fit into their environment. And think about that Einstein quote all the time, like, if you try to make a fish, climb a tree, it's gonna feel like an idiot. You know, forgive my,

Erin Rogers 3:46

Yeah. I didn't know. I love that though. I didn't know that quote. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 3:49

of that quote. Um. But it's exactly what you described, like being a fish on land can be so uncomfortable. And so to be put back into an environment where you can actually like be yourself and thrive really is the beginning, I think, for so many people of connecting to their intuition and feeling like, okay, actually I'm good. I'm, I'm cool, I'm fine. Um,

Erin Rogers 4:17

And I was a try. I was a try hard, like I was trying to be as normal as possible and it was killing me and I was like, but I will try. I would've looked normal to people.

Elizabeth Cordova 4:25

Hmm.

Erin Rogers 4:26

I was not normal.

Elizabeth Cordova 4:27

I think same. I think I always looked really emotionally dramatic, like I am a, I am a cancer moon, so you know, that's always gonna be a part of my

Erin Rogers 4:37

That

Elizabeth Cordova 4:37

like

Erin Rogers 4:37

Rising

Elizabeth Cordova 4:38

And Sag Rising

Erin Rogers 4:39

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 4:40

Yeah.

Erin Rogers 4:41

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 4:42

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Erin Rogers 4:42

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 4:42

a little emotional. Um, and I always had these like deep, deep feelings and felt so misunderstood, but would try to project normalcy and, and quote unquote like sanity so that I would be accepted. And, um, so I really resonate with what you're talking about and think that. A lot of people probably will too. Um, I'm curious, like what happened after, so you had this, this session with this doctor,

Erin Rogers 5:11

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 5:11

felt maybe a bit of, of wholeness perhaps, and what, what goes, what happens next?

Erin Rogers 5:19

Yeah. I'm a channel. So the one thing I really notice overall when I really connect deeply, I have to like sit on gra like, so that day I had to sit on grass for an hour before I got in my car. And at the time I didn't know, but I get really high and connected in a good way. Um, on my own supply. There's nothing like, it's literally just that connection of just like pure bliss. But the fallout and almost will make me emotional moment was now I was living in a life that was built by a. A version of me that isn't authentic. So I will say one of the challenges was the awakening, but woke me up to a life that now felt literally physically uncomfortable, but you cannot change. Maybe you could, but I was not willing to change everything overnight. I did change, pray drastically the next nine months, but I will say. Um, the benefit of living authentically as your surroundings will reflect you and who you really are. And the inauthenticity for me meant I built a life that looked really great and I was like, don't want any of this. This is not, this is not truly what I want. So that was challenging. Um, but I had great friends that. Came like came out to, with this whole thing and they were very accepting. I had a moment when I was in a car with a friend a few months later and she was asking questions and I was kind of, I was channeling, but she's like, what are you doing? I go, well, you know the ticker tape in your mind that gives you all the answers? And she goes, no, babe. No, I don't have a ticker. And it was like, oh, not everyone's channeling. And unbeknownst to me, we like happened to go to a lake and so I channeled for three hours. Don't, don't do that. That's very physically exhausting. But at the time I was so excited. So I do also find the New Awakening, and I'm watching that now with people that I'm mentoring. I. Again, is like, you get so excited and you just wanna do everything all the time. Eventually, and I've now, it's been eight years or nine years or something, you, I, I've seen cycles of how it rolls out, but the, I was so excited and I was doing all the things that you weren't supposed to do, where people would be like, you wanna know? You wanna know? I was like, huh. And it was so, it was this exciting thing, but I really had to hone my gift and I kept working with her. Um, but six months later, because I was still mentally committed to the life of like, what looked good, but physically it was starting to really become a problem. I went to a spiritual retreat in Sedona and kind of like, well, in five years I'll express this gift or like do something with it more so than just. Live it for myself. And the, the whole weekend, the spiritual weekend had been like, no, you've gotta go and do something with this gift. You can't keep down on this life. And I'm, I'm tend to be a little stubborn. As I left, I was in a car and I had already been like, I shouldn't leave. Something's wrong. But I hadn't quite learned to really trust my gift no matter what. My car got hit by lightning and ugh, it did go through my body, but in a very insignificant way. Like my eardrum felt like it was popped, my ankle felt like it was rolled. Um, but like, it's not like someone getting directly hit where it's probably causes death. So, and I was like, it's, and I could, he and I generally am very audible and Spirit was like, gonna listen now. I was like, okay. We get to the, we get to the airport. All flights are grounded for the day because of the lightning storm. And if I had just listened to Spirit, which said, stay in Sedona and fly out tomorrow, I would've, it would've been right. So since then, I have a much that created a very strong belief that if I have something that feels that strong in my body, I listen no matter how uncomfortable. Um, and so within three months of that. I quit my big six figure leadership job and gave up my apartment and I always wanted to do a road trip from Vancouver through the like western states of the US. And I went back to Sedona 'cause I was like, there's gotta be something here for me that I need to listen to. And I arrived in Sedona two weeks before the pandemic started

Elizabeth Cordova 9:11

Whoa.

Erin Rogers 9:12

and fear had always told me it was very, the timing was important and I kept being like. I is any time like I was like, it's any time. And we're just on a journey. And they're like, no, you have to go now. If you don't go now, we don't think you're ever gonna go. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. And then once COVID hit, I was like, oh, I wouldn't have left that job. 'cause this uncertainty externally would've been probably too fear, like fear inducing to me. So

Elizabeth Cordova 9:35

Yeah.

Erin Rogers 9:35

was one time when I was like, timing was important. I had to go.

Elizabeth Cordova 9:39

Hmm. I have so many thoughts. I'm just like racing in my mind right now. So just take a second because I think actually what would be beneficial is to explain what you mean actually when you talk about your gift and when you talk about channeling and when you talk about like, okay, I sat at the lake and I channeled for three hours.

Erin Rogers 10:00

Yeah,

Elizabeth Cordova 10:00

does that actually mean for folks?

Erin Rogers 10:02

yeah, great question. This is just how I experience different levels of energy, and this doesn't mean it's the same for anyone else, or maybe it gives you permission to consider your gifts. Just in terms of, I really experience things in energetic levels. The example being, um, I'm in a Mediumship course right now. I've done Mediumship. Mediumship is when you talk to somebody who was once living on earth and they've crossed over to me. That is one dimensional way. I would say for me, that feels like a fourth dimension. These are just self and created. What that means is that person will always speak to me generally over my right shoulder, and it feels very physically close to me. Intuition feels like I have a bubble around my body and my bubble is interacting with all of the world around me. And I get sensory into the bubble. And while they can somewhat be the same, they are, they feel separate to me. Channeling feels like something that is significantly higher above my self. Um, uh, and when I say higher, it's like visually in my mind's eye, it's like bolt. Beyond Earth, if that was a, a, a way that we were measuring it or like 12 dimensions up. Like that's just where it feels. And to me, channeling is a translation of a vibration. That's why everyone can do it. Um, but just some will be more talented than others. So the way I experience channeling is that information is coming to me in an energy, and then I'm putting words to that energy, meaning I've channeled aliens, I've channeled the color orange, very intense by the way, I've channeled the planet Mars. I've channeled all this type of things. Um, and it's been very interesting and I kind of had to ask one day like, well, how shouldn't I just have like one source? Kinda like how you see like a bahar on TV or something, you know, and they're like, it's just a translation of a vibration and it happens to be one of your more natural talents versus Mediumship. I really have to work at that feels more challenging and less because my soul's purpose. Is to tell us, you tell you your greatest purpose and all the things that maybe stand between them in a loving way so that you can shift blocks, beliefs or experiences to step deeper into your expression. So if your grandma isn't the most important person in that message, I can't hear her as clearly as, like the other day, someone's aliens came in, I was like, Hey guys, what up? Let's talk about that. So, uh, this gift, the way that I experience it, is, is it's the way I experience it. Doesn't mean any, it's not. Anyone else's experience isn't right or wrong. Um, but that's, that's how I'm sort of moving through my experiences, um, when I'm feeling intuitive or connected.

Elizabeth Cordova 12:32

Okay. And I love that you grounded it in sort of like your soul's purpose, because I think that was part of where my curiosity was coming in. I'm like, okay, but what is the. The, the connecting force here. What is the like through line? Because what I could also imagine is just like a friend coming to you and being like, okay, can you channel like lottery numbers? you channel like, you know, the person that I'm gonna marry? I could, I could see how this could easily become sort of like outsourcing power or someone's destiny or someone's, um. I don't know, fate into like your hands and it becoming a very like twisted and warped thing. So

Erin Rogers 13:16

and I have an experience.

Elizabeth Cordova 13:17

Yeah.

Erin Rogers 13:18

Yeah. Um, and listen, I kind of made some of those mistakes. I didn't give anyone lottery numbers. Um. But I will explain the way I see it and then I, what I learned from it. So, you know, human design, if the people listening know human design, I'm a three five. A five has a strong projection field, which can cause a lot of, like, people perceive you in certain ways. And so this projection field with a channeling ability causes really interesting interactions with people. And so, um, what I learned was. Free will is so strong that while in this moment when I would say read for someone as a future prediction, which I won't do anymore, so don't ask. All I was doing was tuning into a timeline that I could resonate with and see for them. And because I have my gift, I feel less attached when I receive that type of information. And this person, you know, for better or worse perhaps that was a lesson to learn in trusting themselves. And, and, and I was, um, you know, I just didn't know better at the time, but I gave them a full pipeline of like five years. And to be honest, 80, 80% of it came true. But shortly after I go. Gross. 'cause I'm a, I have five planets in Sagittarius. Sorry if I'm using way too many terms in astrology human design, but I'm like, why would I ever wanna limit your full potential by giving you the timeline today? Because timelines shift based on the actions you take as my belief. So even though in that moment perhaps I was quote unquote correct. It literally could have changed the next moment. That's what I believe. So, I, I, I'm, I'm most certain that you probably have moments or things that you're meant to experience in your life, but how you get there, how you arrive. If you never do it, no problem. I believe in multiple lives, so you probably just come back next life. So for me, as a reader, to give you a predictive reading that limits your mental possibilities or your energetic possibilities that sit within your, like this bubble. That terrible. Oh my God, that's my nightmare. I never wanna do that. And so instead, I realized the gift was more like, maybe in my mind's eye I might see some things, but it's more about. Well, that's cool. If they could experience that, what, what might be in their, in their energetic sphere of beliefs or experiences that would keep them from that, that looks really cool. Do we wanna explore that? So I, I don't think predict predictive readings are great. I think there's like an element that can be fun in a card reading, but it has to be a really. Responsible space holder and yeah. 'cause people did, I did have challenges with relationships after I discovered my gift. 'cause I loved being helpful. I was like, of course I wanna tell you that's gonna help you. And then I really had to learn in relationship wasn't to be useful. I could just be your friend. And that was a really hard lesson for me to learn in terms of like transforming love and how I experienced a love in, in any relationship. Um, and the gift made it complicated for sure. It took me a long time to figure that out.

Elizabeth Cordova 16:15

Yeah, I resonate with so much of what you're saying, number one, because I also believe in infinite possibilities and letting people make choices. And whenever I go into, um, a space as a reader for someone, I'm like, you are the one who is defining the vision. That you want for your life and just what you said, I'm here to help identify sort of like what are the blocks, opportunities, challenges in your personality habits, behaviors that might be like getting in the way of experiencing that. And

Erin Rogers 16:48

Because you're also a 3/5,,

Elizabeth Cordova 16:50

I am a 1/3,

Erin Rogers 16:52

A 1/3.

Elizabeth Cordova 16:53

I think I'm like, hu. My human design

Erin Rogers 16:56

You're a 1/3. You can't be a 3/1. You're 1/3. Got it.

Elizabeth Cordova 16:59

I'm a 1/3.

Erin Rogers 17:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that research. Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense.

Elizabeth Cordova 17:03

yes. Big research, big experimentation is I

Erin Rogers 17:06

yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 17:06

my understanding of it.

Erin Rogers 17:08

Hundred percent.

Elizabeth Cordova 17:10

and the other thing that you said was learning how much to share and when to share and what to share. And like also as Virgo superpower is discernment. I can see 20 steps ahead

Erin Rogers 17:27

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 17:28

so often. It's not for me to say,

Erin Rogers 17:32

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 17:33

your mouth shut because you're not supportive. Maybe if you're not being invited to share, if you're not being, like, if there's not a, a container for this transmission to be expressed. And so thank you for just like keeping it real of like, yeah, I wanted to be needed and so I was, I

Erin Rogers 17:51

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 17:52

people things that, um, felt good for me, but maybe were not like in their best interest to receive.

Erin Rogers 18:00

Yeah, and I had to end some friendships 'cause some friendships ended up getting birthed. Basically on me giving readings, me not knowing, right? Like I was like, oh, we're gonna pull fun cards. But when you're maybe naturally talented, you're like, I'm gonna tell you all this stuff. And it would be like, oh, it took me a while to be like, oh, I actually can't do that. That's like me working. I'm burnt out and I don't think it's helping you because you're outsourcing your power to me, which grows. So I don't want that for you.

Elizabeth Cordova 18:23

Yeah.

Erin Rogers 18:24

then. But it's addictive for people. I get it. It's addictive for me. And so I also had to end some relationships just to be like, this is built on some unhealthy habits, and it doesn't seem like we can transform them to better ones. Um, we, I can't go on, I can't be doing a full session for you all the time. So, um, and it's just like, and it's okay that you made that mistake, Erin, and it's okay that you figured it out and

Elizabeth Cordova 18:47

Yes.

Erin Rogers 18:48

it's like all those things like, oh, maybe it's sad that you. That friendship ended. But I think in all of this, the fact that we're talking about taking risk is a lot of those types of things will come up. 'cause you, you are also transforming in all these moments of change. So you don't always know exactly who you are, how you wanna connect, and maybe you do, but I, I found I had to like, learn new version of me in each transformation, which meant sometimes I maybe didn't do it the way I would ideally do it. I just did what was available to me in the moment.

Elizabeth Cordova 19:15

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's nuts. Taking risks. You don't, you don't know. literally don't know. And that's the whole point. And love this reflection that you have for yourself of like, it's okay to get it quote unquote like wrong. That

Erin Rogers 19:34

Yeah,

Elizabeth Cordova 19:34

is there to learn except to try and to like, maybe if we're applying a label, like fail and

Erin Rogers 19:41

yeah,

Elizabeth Cordova 19:41

again

Erin Rogers 19:42

yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 19:43

do it differently. Do it,

Erin Rogers 19:44

Love that. Three line.

Elizabeth Cordova 19:45

better. Mm-hmm.

Erin Rogers 19:46

Of course I'd be lovely. I wanna be loving and perfectly boundaried. But listen, I only found my boundaries 'cause I didn't use them. That's how I found them. So that's hard. It's the hard part about the The growth.

Elizabeth Cordova 19:59

Okay. So mentioned like when you are doing, um, Mediumship, maybe

Erin Rogers 20:06

Mm-hmm.

Elizabeth Cordova 20:08

somebody tr

Erin Rogers 20:10

all the time, but yes.

Elizabeth Cordova 20:11

all the time. Okay. So do you wanna explain some of the different clairs that you

Erin Rogers 20:15

Yeah,

Elizabeth Cordova 20:16

Okay.

Erin Rogers 20:17

So there's four predominant ones and a, a fifth fun one that I like to mention. This is just random. I do have a quiz on how to find your intuitive type. But listen, if you're listening to this, you probably already know I, I just did it 'cause I felt like everyone that comes to me has a little bit of a mental bend. So I was like, cool, you overthinkers, go verify what you already know. But, so there is claircognizance, which is intuitive thinking. So beyond. The mental mind, the, the, the intuitive mind. And we can talk more about that. There's clairvoyant, which is clear seeing or intuitive seeing clairaudient, which is intuitive hearing. And then, um, clairsentient is intuitive, feeling clear. Cognizant is intuitive thinking. Clairvoyant is intuitive seeing. I am missing one. Sensing, seeing, hearing, feeling clairaudient. Sorry, that's, I don't know why I'm having a hard time. There's a clairgustance, which I think is really interesting and I think

Elizabeth Cordova 21:09

it again. clairgustance.

Erin Rogers 21:10

clairgustance, they're all French

Elizabeth Cordova 21:13

Yeah.

Erin Rogers 21:14

origin

Elizabeth Cordova 21:14

like the guy in

Erin Rogers 21:16

gust.

Elizabeth Cordova 21:16

Beauty and the

Erin Rogers 21:17

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 21:17

Yes.

Erin Rogers 21:18

Um, that one is like a, a tasting or a smelling. And so I do find highly intuitive people. It'll be, um. I'm, I'm tempted to go deep into it, but what I'll just say is like, if you notice you have a certain taste or like people that can smell their grandma's perfume after she's passed, and there's certainly no thi like that kind of intuitive experience where you're smelling, um, or really intuitive people in a conversation will be able to read the other person 'cause they get certain smells or tastes in their mouth and sense, which I think is really cool. I, I actually don't have that one. I find people that can deconstruct rest like a meal at a, at a restaurant.

Elizabeth Cordova 21:53

Mm-hmm.

Erin Rogers 21:54

I feel like they have that as like a real, like practical application of it because someone's like, I don't know what's in those. I can't taste it. Um.

Elizabeth Cordova 22:02

Like my husband is a chef, I'm gonna. I'm gonna start poking and prod him for a, see, see,

Erin Rogers 22:08

Totally because a lot of us go towards our natural talents without knowing, right? Like

Elizabeth Cordova 22:12

Yeah.

Erin Rogers 22:12

every massage therapist I know is intuitive. 'cause you're touching bodies all day. Like you're literally interacting with people's fields, like that kind of thing. I'm like, your talents already have taken you where you are. My job, I've also been a corporate recruiter for 20 years, and people who say, well, how do you know someone's good? I would go, oh, what they do and don't say, I'm highly clairaudient. I'm literally using my intuition and then trying to apply logic afterwards. So. Sorry I've said so much to people, but so clairknowing is like, it's a thought that drops in that you can't explain why, but you're very sure it's true. I think that's a really great, simple way clairaudience can be this hearing a song that has meaning to you and then the like, the like, and they all have sort of laddered up experiences from like real. Sort of entry level to, to obviously more, Hmm. Extreme. So I would say like this, hearing music is like a really cool one to start with. I can audibly hear voices that will come up and speak to me that wake me up in the middle of the night. Um, anywhere from ghosts to spirit to all those pieces. Clairvoyance is to see beyond the seen. So think about people that can see a whiteboard and then actually can see it fully filled out with something that's clairvoyance. You're seeing something that isn't there. Someone, an interior designer that can see an empty room and fill it. An artist, I dunno if you know any of those, Elizabeth, but like a blank piece of paper and you visually see the, the constructs of what you're gonna start to create. That's, that's a version of clairvoyance expressing, and there's more and more in intense experiences. Um. Clairsentient is probably the one people know the most often, which is intuitive feeling, and the very simple one is cut a 10, cut the room's tension with a knife. Like that's everyone feeling the energy. We have actually have like social things we say that are very commonly accepted, that are an expressions of Clairsentient, that we, we aren't really giving full validation that it's a, it's an, it's an intuitive experience. It's not a mental one.

Elizabeth Cordova 23:59

Hmm. That's so cool. I wanna just like bounce back, because earlier you were saying you have to really develop your Mediumship.

Erin Rogers 24:11

Mm-hmm.

Elizabeth Cordova 24:12

It doesn't come necessarily as. Fluidly, maybe as some of your other gifts.

Erin Rogers 24:19

Mm-hmm.

Elizabeth Cordova 24:20

I think for the listeners it would be so supportive to understand like how, how do you develop these, how do you build these, this musculature? Like what does that tactically look like? I.

Erin Rogers 24:31

Yeah. Um, and on a simple level, like I grew up playing sports, you could be naturally talented at basketball, but if you aren't out on the out there every day practicing, then natural talent still needs to be practiced as an example. And the same thing applies to all of these skills. Um, for me, when I quote unquote, maybe we'll use the word came online when I actually acknowledged the gifts I was already experiencing. Channeling though it was, there was no effort. I still needed to do it every day. It became stronger and better when I would meditate, when I'm in session, all those things. But it was a natural talent that I just had to be in motion with versus Mediumship before I took this class would come up sometimes in readings, sometimes in real world scenarios. Like I had someone that was, um, working on my team and we were in a one-on-one. And I think this is vague enough, but basically her and her partner had split and he was not a very nice person, but she didn't fully know that yet. And unfortunately someone in her, um, family, extended family sort of connections had passed away and we're in a one-on-one and this person shows up in this just work setting and goes and starts yelling f that guy over and over and over again. And I'm sitting in and I go. Um, excuse me, can I ask you a question? And they had kind of known I was dabbling, but like, because that was a really important message for her to receive. So because of my, my soul's intention that came through clearly. But, um, I. So when I decided to take on Mediumship, I have a very talented friend and it's been cool to learn things like just sitting and waiting a little bit longer. For, in her case, she really likes us to get evidence. Evidence means validating points of information from the person on the other side to show that you're truly connecting with them. And because I'm more message oriented, I normally just be like, Hey, this is what they wanna let you know. My friend's like, but how do they know that's the real person I go. I, I don't know. I don't care. Like in, in terms of my actual being, I'm like, the message is more important to me, but this is great for me to stretch and practice getting validation. 'cause even in psychic readings, that's helpful for me to validate that the spirit coming through or the a even the alien knows something about you, um, that, um, my humanness wouldn't to help you really resonate. So I think that's like a cool thing. Um, and I probably need to take. More courses and there's really cool, there's anywhere from like, I'm sure you have things I've offered courses to like, there's like a hog where it's like school in England that just does the metaphysical schools. I can't remember the name of it. So, um, there's lots of places to go and actually learn, um, ethically, I, um, just be very, very, very sure of who you're working with ethically,

Elizabeth Cordova 27:06

Mm-hmm.

Erin Rogers 27:06

some people that sometimes, um, uh. I don't know people that ever mean to do harm or not, but I, you know, you just gotta really make sure that you're learning from the right people that are in alignment with your values. Whether it's being trauma informed, you feel like they're deeply ethical. Um, yeah, all those pieces, but to learn from others has been really helpful. Spirit had told me not to do that for a long time. More learn from books, and so it's been cool to be in a class and be held. Um. I learned from her versus like, breath work. Of course, I, we, that's how, that's how we first were connected is like in that medium. And I've taken lots of healing courses and learned from other people. Um, but yeah, so that's Mediumship just like breath work, energy healing. Uh, for me, I needed to practice a bit more, to have more context and strength and sort of how I was facilitating the experience to get information as well as to share for other people. Does that fully, is that clear the way I've exp I've explained that.

Elizabeth Cordova 28:01

It is clear to me. I think one of the takeaways is. Practice with yourself as much as you can. I think another takeaway is find a teacher that is aligned with your values and do some research on sort of like what lineage maybe they are from. Be intentional about who it is that you learn from. But if the opportunity comes along and it feels aligned to like take a class, then that is a, a great route to go. Would that be a.

Erin Rogers 28:36

Totally, because

Elizabeth Cordova 28:36

summary.

Erin Rogers 28:37

I think it's all inside of us, but just like anything, we need support to extract it and practice it and strengthen it. So,

Elizabeth Cordova 28:44

Mm-hmm.

Erin Rogers 28:44

you know, find the right people that are gonna support you in that ex, in that like expansion of your skillset.

Elizabeth Cordova 28:49

Yeah. One thing that you said was your soul's intention something was aligned with your soul's intention that, that this specific message was coming through. I'm curious if you think that. We are born with the soul intention that is like predefined or if we sort of like co-create maybe our soul's intention as we go through life.

Erin Rogers 29:16

Sure. Um, a few things. There's this really great book called The Instruction. I think his name is Ainslie McLeod. He was on Oprah. You'll find him easily if someone's interested.

Elizabeth Cordova 29:26

Okay.

Erin Rogers 29:26

and he has the 10 Levels of Soul, which I thought were really interesting to just give some context around. And I referenced that because I think. It depends on your soul. So some souls, 'cause I, my belief as a baseline is, um, our souls come out here on earth to experience contrast, to, to grow. And without contrast, the soul can't grow. And there's lots of nuance. We won't go into it, but just at a very basic level. And so sometimes, um, for a lot of the first times you're here on earth as a soul, I think it's just to experience. And maybe you have, um, a contract with. An interaction with a person, but like maybe that was for 30 seconds of your whole life. Like we don't know exactly how many of those powerful moments. And then at some point I do think perhaps, um, as souls have matured, they maybe have more specific missions. Um. So for me it feels like that's what my soul's here to, has asked me to come here to do specifically. And some people's souls are literally here to have like the best time and spread joy. So like it can be really serious or not at all. Like it does and it doesn't have any different value. It's just like, um, there's also Dolores Cannon who talks about souls and the three waves, which is gonna be really interesting for people if they feel like they're an indigo child or they identify it's kind of a soul that has something they feel like they have a purpose around, through intuition. Um. What do you, what do you believe actually?

Elizabeth Cordova 30:50

Well, I'm, I asked this con this, this question because I'm like, I actually don't know. I tru, I've never really thought about it actually. Like what is, what is my soul? soul's intention. Um, I think for me, I always say that my desires are a gift from God

Erin Rogers 31:10

Mm-hmm.

Elizabeth Cordova 31:10

I am here to just like, follow the breadcrumbs

Erin Rogers 31:15

Yep.

Elizabeth Cordova 31:16

to develop my life, and then to a guide and a witness and a support for people who are also curious about how to follow their own desires and carve out. A path for themselves that is antithetical to like the predefined corporate, patriarchal capitalist like bullshit that we've been spoonfed.

Erin Rogers 31:38

Mm-hmm.

Elizabeth Cordova 31:38

so I think I have a clear idea of maybe what my soul's intention is, but I don't necessarily have a com any concept of like, how did that arrive, did I. I don't know that it's like necessary to

Erin Rogers 31:55

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 31:55

but I just, it's, uh,

Erin Rogers 31:57

I just know that every time, so like I do contract work, I think this just really helpful for people to know I do contract work in the corporate world to support this business. Um, and that's had, that's like ebb and flowed and I didn't do that for four years. And, and that's totally cool. All I know is that if I ever took a full-time job, my soul would feel like it's dying. I do know that,

Elizabeth Cordova 32:16

mm-hmm.

Erin Rogers 32:17

soul, my soul's purpose might get drowned out by too much distraction. So like, that's the way I experience it. I also, and again. Please take this or leave it. It sounds a little bit egotistical when I say it, but the way I experience it is that I feel like there's also levels. I feel, I believe this. I feel like this is a grade one to grade three. That's a very Canadian way. What do you guys call grade one to grade three in America when you're like.

Elizabeth Cordova 32:41

to grade three.

Erin Rogers 32:41

Okay, you call it, some people have a different inverse anyways. I think Earth is like grade one to grade three. I think it's like early days we're actually just early days. There's like a whole bunch of other schooling that we'll experience in a soul level. And I always joke that I was at like a cosmic barbecue being like, shit, it's not going grade down there. We really should help 'em out. And I had too many tequila shots and I ended up in a womb. That's how I literally channeled it one day and I was like, what am I doing back here? I thought I was done. Um. And so maybe that, I don't know. That vision, that belief, that funny story that came to me reinforces that like, my soul is here for a purpose, versus some people are just here to experience it and maybe again, have that thirty second attraction. So that is partly what drives my perception of how I'm experiencing this lifetime.

Elizabeth Cordova 33:26

Okay. Amazing. I don't wanna put you on the spot,

Erin Rogers 33:32

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 33:32

there any channeling that you

Erin Rogers 33:34

Oh.

Elizabeth Cordova 33:35

called to do for the audience, for

Erin Rogers 33:39

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 33:40

Like, do you wanna give,

Erin Rogers 33:42

Yeah. Let's tune a little bit.

Elizabeth Cordova 33:43

experience?

Erin Rogers 33:45

Great. You know why this is so great? Because speaking of spirit and being told for a girl that channels, I really resist channeling mostly 'cause it doesn't look very cool. Um, and it's actually quite, um, it's just a little bit, it's vulnerable, which is totally amazing. I'm working on vulnerability, so it's not that it vulnerability is bad, is that I'm working on it. So when I pulled a card, which is so great 'cause it's partly what was coming through, birthing a new age, birthing new creations, and dreaming into a. Into, uh, dreaming a new world, into being. So if you are watching this, hilarious. Um, but yeah, let's just tune in for a second.

Elizabeth Cordova 34:22

Okay.

Erin Rogers 34:28

So funny, I'll just, um, there's different types of channeling. I'll sort of talk as I go, but it's saying, hmm. The souls of the world are ready for a new translation, a new vibration, a new through line of transformation. What looks like painful change is actually the moment of birth, the opening, the cracking, the discomfort. It is the idea of the seed breaking through the soil for what feels like the darkest, most painful moment is the moment the seedling finds the sun live, as though your soul is finding the sun and you are moving, dreaming, growing through the discomfort of pushing through the soil. Do not discount the world around you, but know that truly. As the challenging times arise, it means the light has become so much stronger. So the same is true in you. You are a reflection of the soul, the earth, the sun, the moon, the universe. And because you are becoming stronger, the light in you is growing. The darkness has more things to say. So trust your path and where you are going. Allow your body being and soul to push through and in this time of transformation, begin to know, you know, you at a deeper, intuitive, authentic level for your inner truth is what will guide you through trying times and expansive times. Great news. That was great. Thanks Spirit.

Elizabeth Cordova 36:22

was great. Thank you Spirit. I'm like, I wanna do a little snaps, a little clap a little, just like, thank you for that beautiful transmission because I think it is exactly what the, the soul intention of this podcast is all about. And so it just feels like the people who. be the receivers of that transmission. It's gonna be so nourishing. I know it was nourishing for me in this moment, and so I know it's gonna be nourishing for them. So

Erin Rogers 36:52

Love

Elizabeth Cordova 36:52

thank you for sharing your gift, Erin.

Erin Rogers 36:54

Gorgina.. Appreciate it. Appreciate the space for it all.

Elizabeth Cordova 36:58

Hmm. So if people want more of that, is this new container? I saw you post something on Instagram, but I,

Erin Rogers 37:06

Yeah,

Elizabeth Cordova 37:07

do not know. So

Erin Rogers 37:08

no thank you. Um. Something I've noticed for sure. And I've had a very, um, quiet winter, which has been somewhat purs purposeful, somewhat forced, but partly, um, for the last six years I have lived in the rhythms of the astrological year, which has really proven supportive for me. And the deeper I go into them, the more I notice those alignments. And so something that's really cool is that one. We have a transformation cycle every four weeks, and there's a transformation cycle that has a theme to it. And so for me, I was like, ah, it's time to let me share this container externally. So there'll be, um. Seasonally you would, you would join for three months and we'd go through three months of a transformation through your own inner world, um, through your intuition. But in the themes of like areas will be, um, like starting, igniting, action. Tourist season obviously has more of that grounded. Supportive, like, almost like luxuriating in your talent. Gemini is gonna have you talking, expressing, and we'll go through the transformation of the block belief or shadow that sits there, then moving it through the expressing. So the actual month pattern will look the same, but the theme changes based on what, um, astrological month we're sitting in. And so, um, there'll be breath work. Channeling. It's sort of like a group coaching container that I feel like will be really supportive for people and I'm very excited. I have workbooks and it's like I find when we invite people to live seasonally in alignment, it's another way to invite your intuition online even more deeply. 'cause you're probably already feeling the seasons and the moons and you don't have to live or die by them. But if you were to move in rhythm with them, it's another way to invite you more deeply into your own body being an intuition. And I think in a time of. AI in a world that feels like it's maybe crumbling, your greatest strength is your inner truth, which is what you access through your intuition.

Elizabeth Cordova 39:08

I love it. I also. Really plan my life around the astrological seasons. I'm

Erin Rogers 39:14

Mm-hmm.

Elizabeth Cordova 39:15

dedicated to understanding and using it as

Erin Rogers 39:18

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 39:19

right? To like help understand what cosmic supports are available to me right now, you know, during a specific season and maybe like what things. Can I put to the side for this season? Because not everything needs to happen all at once. And so can I be really intentional about the actions that I'm taking and the just like experience that I'm expecting have during a certain period of time.

Erin Rogers 39:48

I think you're very good at it. I think you're very good at it from the external watching view, but it's like, yeah, like a tree isn't trying to grow a flower in December. Generally speaking, you know, it's like the, we are a tree and we just get to be in relationship with those seasons, and it's better to try to grow your flower in May for June. So why don't you let yourself blossom when it's the preferable time for you as a being and like, it's really hard probably to launch a program in January. Because damn, it's, we're only like 10 days into winter in Canada or in Northern Hemisphere.

Elizabeth Cordova 40:21

Mm-hmm.

Erin Rogers 40:22

isn't a time to shove things out in the world. It's probably times to like reflect, review, let like that your own soil strengthen in that time so that when. March 21st comes, you can be like the seed pushing through the dirt. So that's sort of how it came to be, how I've been living. I'm excited to share it and Spirit also told me and upstairs told me I had to do it. So, um, that is my, my core focus at the moment is gonna be, um, those in, in-person breath work in Vancouver.

Elizabeth Cordova 40:54

Amazing.

Erin Rogers 40:55

Hmm.

Elizabeth Cordova 40:56

Okay, Erin, well thank you so much

Erin Rogers 40:59

Cute.

Elizabeth Cordova 41:00

on to chat with me today. This is hopefully the first of many conversations. I can already imagine listeners being like more Erin, we want more of that, more channeling, more, uh, breaking down the clairs more. I mean, there's so much that we didn't even get to. I wanna talk at some point about your watercolor aura paintings because that's something that stuck with me and I'm like. So key for people here to just remember like, art is also such an intuitive and creative practice. And so we'll, we'll have a future conversation about that

Erin Rogers 41:36

Thank you so much.

Elizabeth Cordova 41:38

Yeah. Any, any, any reflections before we go from you.

Erin Rogers 41:42

Um, I just, I wanna say that as someone who's been able to watch you, so Elizabeth and I met at a breathwork training, which was cool 'cause she was actually online at the first one. And we were like, who's this online mystery person? And then we got to meet in person I think a year later. Um, but I'd been, you know, I'm, I would say one of my skill sets is ob being observant. Um, I think you've been really brave and you were. Screw it. I'm going all in and like, you're so talented and artistry and the things I've experienced, and I'm sure there's other things, but like your card readings, the way you invite people in. So I think it's really, um, it's cool to watch people live through the experience and then now you get to also talk through what you've, what you've lived, which I think is really beautiful. Um, and if anyone's listening and wants a piece of advice, I think it's like you can always go backwards, but you don't know what happens if you've never gone forward. So take the risk, take the step.

Elizabeth Cordova 42:34

You can always go backwards, but you never know what happens unless you.

Erin Rogers 42:38

Go forward. Take the risk.

Elizabeth Cordova 42:39

Yeah. Take the risk. Take the leap. We got

Erin Rogers 42:43

Do it.

Elizabeth Cordova 42:43

Amazing. I love it. Our Sagittarius energy, that's just like

Erin Rogers 42:47

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 42:47

go, go, go. You can do it. We

Erin Rogers 42:49

Yeah.

Elizabeth Cordova 42:50

in you. Ah, okay, fabulous. So if you wanna hear more conversations with cool people living badass lives,

Erin Rogers 42:59

That's right.

Elizabeth Cordova 43:00

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